[Noise of children playing in a playground]
Person 1:
“Sometimes you look at yourself and you think, ‘God… how do other people see you?’ you know, and then other times, yeah I’m just like that child running around the park that I always was and that child with my nose pressed in the book. Nothing changes and everything changes… It’s, you know, it’s like there’s this rock of who you are, most elemental or something and it doesn’t really change, but you think other people looking at you will think you’re… you’re different ’cause you’re older.
“I’ve always loved words and also gone into my imaginative world and now in a very materialistic culture, so it feels old fashioned to say you have an imaginative life, that’s what’s strange the… you know, the more materialistic the culture becomes.”
[Noise of a scratchy record player playing opera]
Person 2:
“I used to be absolutely typical [inaudible]. I had not envisaged any particular retirement point of absolutely stopping work but of going on after that with whatever needed doing. I retired slightly early ’cause health was getting a bit of an obstacle and I had toyed, rather stupidly, with the idea of going to hear an opera matinee in Paris one Sunday afternoon. I would have needed somebody with me all the time. What, supposing I had needed to go to the loo, for example... [phone rings in background] I guess I had better answer this, I’m sorry…
“Hello… I’m fine, I have not been very well but I am getting better but I'm a bit busy right now [laughs]. Yeah… yes and I’ve sent it off… yes. Oh OK. No no, it went off two days ago. That’s a bit weird because it went off in a first-class envelope. Yeah, no I did it by return. Uh, what do we do? You had better… or they had better let me know tomorrow if it doesn’t appear. I, I… worry about this every time because I have to get somebody else to post things for me and they can forget. So will they let me to know if it doesn't arrive tomorrow? OK good, thank you. OK, catch up soon, bye.
“I’m sorry. I ought to be a bit more adventurous about these things that do definitely, presently stop me from going anywhere. Well, I suppose life does have a sort of rhythm and shape, but it’s much reduced from what it was, of course. One of the things that surprised me is how easily I’ve accommodated myself to the situations that have arisen and put up with having to have different people come at different times of day and needing help before I can do simple things like getting washed in the morning or getting ready for bed or whatever. In an average week I might go out for as much as five or six hours maximum. Otherwise I’m at home.”
[Noise of snipping or tapping]
Person 3:
“As you grow older, if you’re talking about ageing… All this thing about longer life and less illnesses etc is totally, as far as I’m concerned, dependent on who you are and what your life has been, you know, not just in these last years, but you know, the good food you’ve had all along, the warm place you’ve had to live in, your education as well… I mean all that… connections. All of that makes up a life over years. And the accumulation of your experiences, you know, down the years, of those things.
“Those things are quite hard to unravel, but it’s not simple, it’s confidence as well, to be honest… class, maybe personality… all of those things [laughs]. Yeah, I mean I often feel like I’ve done my best with the resources that I had [laughs again].”
[Noise of wind and leaves rustling]
Person 4:
“Yes, my world has narrowed. Do I mind? No. Am I sorry? Yes a bit, I would like to be a bit more adventurous. Does it matter? No.
“I haven’t seen Machu Picchu. So what. It will still be there. Other people will see it. It’s not affecting the quality of my life in any way whatsoever. There are other things I ‘wow’ about. I'm really lucky I live near a beautiful park and yesterday, sitting there looking at the light through the leaves was a ‘wow’. Didn’t cost me as much as going to Machu Picchu. Um, didn’t take that much time, but it wowed me.
“So has my life got smaller? Narrower? – yes, it probably has, but I don’t think the intensity has gone.”
[Noise of wind and leaves rustling, and birds chirping]
Person 5:
“If I do a clinic, I might see four or five patients and collectively have 400 years worth of a person’s life that comes my way. Everyone comes with a story and unpicking that is one of the most important parts into understanding what health priorities people might have and how I can address those.
“As a doctor working in London, I see a huge range of people and, depending on where they were born, the circumstances in which they were born, education that they had, age in which people arrived in London, communities that they formed, relationships that they had, housing, occupational complexity, pensions, intergenerational communities, all of those things mean that even before I start thinking about the right medications, side effects, scans and so on, I have to think about the geography, the history, the culture, the sociology, the psychology that all plays out in the experience of ageing.
“When I think about the huge range of people who might be the same age, say 85 years old, there are people, on one hand, who are still working, looking after grandkids, writing novels, and at the very other end of the spectrum, there are people who might be in a nursing home, extremely physically dependent, may have cognitive problems and so on. You realise that along the way, that has come about from the accumulation of both advantage and disadvantage, and that plays out right across the life course.
“As a society, it’s clear we’re living longer, but that increased longevity is not equally distributed. People who have a lifetime of accumulated advantage will die later and in better health compared to those at the other end of the continuum. The gap in the experience of health in later life is wide and is widening.
“I don’t know how many people think about their ageing in a really active way, what physical needs they might have, what kind of care they might need – who’s going to pay for that? These are things I find that only ever occurs to people when the situation arises, either for themselves or for someone that they care for. And then you’re forced to make a decision really quickly, when it obviously makes sense to have planned these things in advance. I get it, it’s always easier to not have to think about these things. There’s always a crocodile nearer the boat.
“It’s interesting to me that we actually don’t prepare that well, psychologically, for our own ageing. It seems like we’re almost prejudiced to our own future self. And I think it’s interesting to take an opportunity to reflect on that, because actually that path can be shaped. Some of it’s not in our control, but maybe a lot of it is?”
[Noise of zen music playing]
Person 5:
“I don’t have any purpose… I’ve no idea. Not a clue. I suppose it’s not having a choice, you know… we are alive, you know. Lots of people think we have choices. I actually don’t think we have choices at all. We might act as if we have choices, but when it comes down to it, we don’t have choices. Whatever we do is dependent on the last thing we did and other things that we find in our environment, so I don’t think choice is really there. Although lots of people say ‘oh I’ve made myself… I’ve worked to the top of the company’ and ‘anybody else can do it’ and ‘I’ve got all of this’, it’s like, well, you were lucky, or unlucky, actually, because it probably hasn’t made you happy. It’s probably made you miserable and, erm, yeah… On purpose? Nah, I don’t know that I have any purpose.
“My own personal purpose perhaps is to laugh. I quite like having a laugh and I like being with people that like laughing [laughs]. Oh dear [laughs again].”
[Noise of howling wind and rattling]
Person 6:
“With the Windrush, um, the people that, um, came here in the Windrush… that was 1948 – what they called the others that came until 1975, they called them the Windrush family. I came in 1955, so I am in the Windrush family! So, it makes me feel very important to talk about the Windrush, because some of the people that were deported um, could not get their pension and their money.
“It’s very grievous because those days were rough days in Britain. [Noise of wind] The snow, the fog, the frost… Oh it was tremendous, especially 1962/63 winter. It was like murder, remember! Not even the drivers for the bus could drive the bus, they had to have someone before them with a lantern to lead them in the road. I was coming home one of the nights and it took me seven hours. It used to take me 15 minutes and that night it took me seven hours from my workplace to come here. When you think of the days – how rough it was, the snow was on the ground, the frost, the salt and everything put together. The road was rough and everything was really tremendous and after all these years, somebody lost their pension and lost their benefits. It’s very painful. Very very painful.”
[Noise of children’s laughter and gentle music]
Person 7:
“I feel that I am in the fourth stage of my life, in that I’m going to put myself first, but it’s terribly difficult because when you’ve always put other people first, how can you suddenly say, ‘Sorry I can’t do it anymore’, ’cause I won’t be like that, but I’m definitely much more uppermost in my mind and I would say that started when I was about 65, 60. I had to do a lot of looking after so I was very, very serious and I don’t think I’ve been released from that seriousness and ‘you must take care of people’, because it was all looking after and whatever.
“I think women, because they’ve been… because we’ve been quite tied down; I had three children, I had a job, I was knackered a lot of the time and I was just tired and I had to carry on blah blah blah, and then when you got the release of the children, hopefully, happily going off or, you know, you’ve got much more freedom and if you’ve got good health, you can go be a woman – whatever that might mean to you.
“I mean, that lot encouraged… I’m pointing at the bears – they encourage rebellion. Go on… do it, do it. That one, ’cause he’s very old… he’s 52. Well because he’s got his own mind and he won’t do what the others do. He has a voice, but I can’t do that. Haven’t you! You, you’ve got a job. He’s got a job he likes but, he’s also the holder of the bears together. Their daddy is a dog. We’ve got a dog up there, in the other basket, and they really tell us what to do, and if only I could have been like that bear and know my own mind from a much younger age. I’ve got to 84. I know my amount. I know what I want to do. I don’t know if I am going to have the energy to keep it going, and he’s done that [laughs].”
[Noise of electric train pulling up]
Person 8:
“In London, there are many ESOL classes – very many sort of clubs where people learn English, but ours is distinctly different, I think in many respects. Um, yes there’s one lady who came along – a Bangladeshi lady – 82 years old and she wanted to learn English for the first time, and one of the problems she had was her daughter, who couldn’t see why on Earth she would spare the time learning English in old age. You should be home to do the cooking for the family and it’s one of those things we had to support the lady in opposition, really, to her family.
“And yet that family changed its attitude after about nine months. They really found, discovered really, the consequences of the grandmother learning English because she could go to the doctor’s by herself, she would get on a bus and go shopping by herself. They discovered that it was very much to their advantage as well as hers that she learned English, even though initially they were in opposition to it. They couldn’t see its relevance.
“And the other nice thing in direct consequence is, we have an English lady and she’s in a block that’s predominantly Bangladeshi and um, and she found going out in the morning, many people didn’t say hello – they didn’t appear to be very friendly, um, and yet several of those people in that block have been coming to the English club, as she found now they were able to say hello to each other and it completely transformed the way people related to each other in that block of flats, so by just two or three people coming to English club, it’s transformed the way families lived in a whole block on the estate.
“And because I think a lot of the um, if you like, the coldness, the coldness people add to each other is really because they didn’t know each other and I think they feared the worst, I suppose, this or fear of strangers and people you don’t know. Now they’ve become neighbours, able to communicate and respond to each other in a friendly way, it has had a transformation affect. But it involves people wanting to do it, involves the people themselves helping to run it, so that the people who are the objects or beneficiaries have got to be involved in how it’s done, the way it’s done and are they involved to the delivering of those activities for it to work.”
[Noise of electric train moving off and then kettle boiling and tea pouring]
Person 9:
“There is not much in this country modelled about growing older and being LGBT. A lot of ‘the scene’, in inverted commas, has been about young people and about – for men, maybe – more about clubbing, or it was for women as well, but there’s less of everything in that sense now anyway, but you know with all these laws changing, yeah – gay marriage is accepted now, but there’s still a huge dearth of how to grow older as, as an older gay person in this culture and also, you know, I haven’t got children. I mean I’ve got friends who have got children, that’s a very different life – I mean gay people have got kids. I’ve got, you know, a very close woman friend and a very close man friend and they’re both in partnerships with children, so everyone is different. Their growing older is very different.
“I’ve also got lots of gay friends – well, not lots, as I haven’t got loads of friends – but I have got some very important friends [laughs] and you know, I know a lot of gay people who were straight when they were younger and they were now, they’ve got children and grandchildren from that time, so a lot of their growing old is still linked in with those families, so you know, everyone is different.”
[Noise of ticking clocks, chimes and alarms, followed by a microwave]
Person 10:
“When I operate the microwave, I used to be able to, I used to be impatient – I’d go one and two and three and… I can’t do that now. The microwave clicks 123. My sensation and sensibility of time has changed, together with my sensibility of the fact that I’ve got a limited future. Even if I live longer than five years, the quality of that life is going to deteriorate, so I must, if I want to smoke a cigar on a nice sunny afternoon in the garden and with a glass of wine, and Sue and I are going to go out there and she’s gonna have some and nibbles, we’re gonna do it. Boom.”
[Noise of whirring]
Person 11:
“You hear people on the radio saying ‘and what would you change in your life?’ and they would go ‘nothing at all!’ and I think, ‘God, I’d change everything!’ [laughs] I would change the lot. Yeah.
“Well first of all, I’d be very emphatic on doing art at school. I wish I’d done art. I was geared into science and at that age… I didn’t get the vote until I was 21, so it was a much more being bossed around by family and teachers and stuff like that. By being insistent, and I’d truant. I’d truant more if I wasn’t allowed to do what I want, because inside I was very definite about what I was and what I wanted, but I didn’t have the courage to do it. So I always had my own thinking, even if it didn’t look like it on the outside. I had a bad marriage and I was almost bullied into that. He kept saying, ‘Marry me, marry me!’ No, no no! And in the end I did just almost to shut him up, you know, and that didn’t last long, it was pretty disastrous, so since then I’ve done more like what I wanted to do.
“But it’s been difficult ’cause I became homeless and I didn’t have any money, so within those constraints, I’ve done pretty good, although I’ve had bouts of depression, bouts of not doing much at all. I’ve had varied experiences. I think a big change for me in getting older – and this is more being over maybe 25, they talk about loneliness and anxiety and I found my teens were much more anxious than any other stage in my life. I don’t have anxiety now in that way at all, you know. That’s gone. I mean, I might have fleeting and difficult emotions, but I had a real severe anxiety at those, although I didn’t recognise it. It’s only on reflection that I knew it.
“Yeah, I think almost we should have, be encouraged to educate ourselves continually and we all have our ideas. We fool ourselves with our ideas and then we make life very difficult for ourselves and our community.”
[Noise of dance music and cheering]
Person 12:
“My fairy cloak is very important to me. And the reason it is so important, apart from the fact it is amazing… I went to a pre-Pride party this year and it was good fun and mainly just drinking, dancing and not doing a lot, but one of the fairies – again a big man, was wearing it and I was like, ‘Oh I love that… that’s amazing.’ Anyway he said, ‘Well I’m just gonna go and get some beers. Do you want to wear it while I’m away?’ OK yeah that’s great thanks that’ll be good, so he let me wear it and he was gone, it seemed to be for hours. I completely lost him for hours. Where is he? I was asking people where he was.
“I finally saw him again and I said, ‘Oh do you want your cloak back’ and he said ‘no, wear it ’til the end of the party’ I said ‘OK’… wore it until the end of the party. Just before I was about to leave, I went up and said to him, ‘Here, have your cloak back.’ He said, ‘To be honest,’ he said ‘if I lend someone something and it looks better on them than it does on me, then I tend to just let him have it. It’s yours.’
“The reason it is so important to me is that it’s just given to a stranger with love, no… yeah, he didn’t know me… it was just like a generous act from a lovely person. No, to hell with it… I’m gonna be the person I am. Life isn’t going to be easy for you. Life isn’t easy for anyone, but you will get through whatever the problems, you will get through them. The thing you need to aim for is to be in a position where you can say I’m the person that I’m supposed to be. It will seem really, like, impossible sometimes, but you can find out the person you really are. I am more mentally at peace with myself and happy with myself than I’ve ever been in my life.”
[Noise of fairy sparkle sound]