Report by the Joint committee of the House of Lords and the House of Commons on public sewers (contributions by frontagers) : together with the proceedings of the committee and minutes of evidence and speeches delivered by counsel.
- Great Britain. Parliament. Joint Committee on Public Sewers
- Date:
- 1936
Licence: Public Domain Mark
Credit: Report by the Joint committee of the House of Lords and the House of Commons on public sewers (contributions by frontagers) : together with the proceedings of the committee and minutes of evidence and speeches delivered by counsel. Source: Wellcome Collection.
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![Captain Bourne.] It might nut reason- ably ‘be that, but merely because it happens to be:a very long street. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.] ‘or the pre- mises erected or to be erected fronting adjoining or abutting on such street or part of a street ’’. Captain Bowrne.] The other point which comes up on this is the cost of construction which, in the kind of road I am thinking of, is obviously bound to be very much heavier than in a private street. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.] I am told (there again I have to say I am told) that these sewers are not laid in concrete roads now. They lay the sewer either on the side of the road, or very often at the backs of houses, so that the sewer can be made available for not only the houses fronting on that main road, but the houses which are going to be built further back and have one sewer done at the backs. That is, in practice, what I am told generally happens now. Mr. Wrottesley.] This section would not deal with that case. Sir Henry Cautley.] We are only deal- ing with sewers laid in public highways. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.] I agree, but what I am putting is that the supposed greater expense by putting the sewers in what are concrete main roads is not, in fact, adopted in practice. It is not an objec- tion to my clause that that thing will happen, because I am instructed that it does not happen in practice; they put the sewer behind. Captain Bowrne.] Section 62 does not apply in that case. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| Exactly. There- fore it is no objection to Section 62. Captain Bourne.] What we have to deal with is the cases where it is done. In the cases where it is not done the section does not apply, and the section is immaterial. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.] Local authorities do not lay their sewers, I am instructed, under the big concrete main roads. Captain Bourne.] I am sorry to dis- agree with you, but I think you will find that where it is a good second class road leaving the town, they do lay their sewers there. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| I have no doubt. Captain Bourne.| That is the case we are dealing with. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| No, we are talk- ing about the big main roads with con- crete foundations. Captain Bouwrne.] All roads, although they may not be a first class trunk road any road of any substance leading out of a town, is heavily tarmaced; it has solid foundations and is much more ex- pensive to break up. It is not fair to put the cost of that on the frontager. Ité is not his fault that the road is there. Sir Henry Cautley.|] The loca! authori- ties have already had a contribution from the Road Fund. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| Somebody has to pay for it. The question is who is going to pay for the cost of the sewer. Sir Henry Cautley.| The cost of the sewer is so much increased by reason of the roads the local authority have made for the motors. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.] Then, may I sug- gest, that the right thing would be to make the people, for whose benefit the more expensive road is put, pay; but you are not doing that. Sir Henry Cautley.| You cannot put it on the Road Fund. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| Exactly. Sir Henry Cautley.] The local autho- rity have been paid by the Road Fund for making these roads in great measure. It only means that the local authority are going to get it twice over. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| No, it only means that the cost of developing estates is more to-day than formerly because the cost of sewers is more. The whole point then is who is going to pay, the general body of ratepayers, or the person who is going to benefit from the development? Sir Henry Cautley.| The cost of de- velopment is no more; the cost in private street works is about the same. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| No, I believe not. Sir Henry Cautley.] But you are coming to highways where you may alter the highways for other purposes, what- ever they may be. Mr. Tyldesley Jones.] I do not think that the cost of private street works is as small as it was. Sir Henry Cautley.| Wages, and that kind of thing? Mr. Tyldesley Jones.| The whole stan- dard of roadmaking has gone up. What I was suggesting was this, that you cannot have some standard sewer by which you are going to measure the liability of the frontager, because stan- dard sewers would only apply in a standard world with a standard estate](https://iiif.wellcomecollection.org/image/b32186022_0104.jp2/full/800%2C/0/default.jpg)
