Minutes of evidence taken by the Royal Commissioners appointed to consider the draft charter for the proposed Gresham University in London ... / presented to both Houses of Parliament by command of Her Majesty.
- Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons.
- Date:
- 1894
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Credit: Minutes of evidence taken by the Royal Commissioners appointed to consider the draft charter for the proposed Gresham University in London ... / presented to both Houses of Parliament by command of Her Majesty. Source: Wellcome Collection.
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![3. That the Pass degrees—certainly in Medicine— be primarily designed to meet the requirements of students educated wholly or in great part in Metropolitan Schools and Hospitals. 4. That a degree in Medicine be a License to Practise, and the Pass Examinations in the professiona subjects shall be carried out, under the supreme control of the Senate, by the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons, associated for that purpose. 5. That Teachers should be represented on the Senate of the University, elected by teachers in the several Faculties, but that Teaching Institutions as such should not be represented on the Senate. 6. Bodies such as the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons, the Council of Legal Education, and the Incorporated Law Society—and if there should come to be constituted any analogous bodies in respect to the subjects of Arts and Sciences—should be represented on the Senate. I further think it desirable (i.) that the constitution, regulations, and conditions of graduation in the several Faculties be made as uniform as circumstances permit, and that no one Faculty—Medicine, for instance—be placed in an exceptional position. (ii.) That the same Matriculation Examination be passed by all candidates whether for Pass or Honours degrees, and in all Faculties, and that this Examination should not. as at present, be of such a character as to be practically equivalent to an Arts degree in some Universities. (iii.) That, speaking generally, and more especially in reference to the Pass degrees, that such degrees should be granted on evidence of education, for at least some period, at places of instruction recognised by the University, as well as of knowledge, as tested by University Examiners, and that such places should be within the Metropolitan area. A greater laxity in this respect might be permitted for the Honours degrees where the examinations, being essentially of a competi- tive character (candidates being placed in order of merit), the candidates would be fewer and the examina- tions more prolonged and searching than those for the Pass degree, all which might be taken to compensate for a possibly diminished period of study at recognised places of study, and such recognised places of study for Honours degrees need not necessarily be in London. In order to meet the case of students who should have obtained their information by private study, attendance at evening classes, or at University exten- sion, or other casual methods of instruction, the Senate should be empowered to hold examinations for such persons, who, on giving evidence of fitness, might receive some title, as Associate of the University in Arts and Science, but such arrangement should not apply to Medicine or Law. (iv.) That subsequent to passiug the Matriculation Examination, the candidate shall declare his intention, bgfore presenting himself for further examination, of taking eitber Pass or Honours degree, but whilst the taking of a Pass degree be not a requisite preliminary to taking an Honours degree; yet having taken a Pass degree shall not prevent the subsequent taking of an Honours degree, provided the candidate shall have passed all the Honours Examinations for the degree ; and it shall be permissible for a candidate who may have passed any of the Honours Degree Examinations to transfer to the corresponding Pass Degree Examina- tion, if he think fit. (v.) That the examinations for a Degree in Medicine, both Pass and Honours, subsequent to the Matricula- tion Examination, be as at present:— 1. An Examination in Natural and Physical Science. 2. ,, „ „ the Subjects of the Interme- diate M.B. 3. ,. ,, ,, the Subjects of the Final M.B. 4- „ „ „ ' „ M.D. (vi). That the Royal College should be allowed to retain their power of granting the diplomas of L.R.C.P. and M.R.C.S., as at present, on their own conditions, in order to supply a lower grade of general practitioners which experience shows it is needful to provide. It is worthy of consideration how far the Society of Apothe- caries may be combined in this arrangement in view of the great desirability of reducing the number of licensing bodies. (vii.) That the Senate of the University should be constituted as follows :— 1 6 6 >■ = 17 3 I 2J Elected by Crown: Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor Other Crown Elected Members : Arts Science - Law - - Medicine - Elected by these bodies respectively : Representatives of R.C.P. - 2~] „ R.C.S. - 2 I ,, ,, Council of Legal Edu- [> = 7 cation, Incorporated | Law Society 3J Elected by each Faculty, Representatives of four Faculties, three for each - - - = 12 Elected by Convocation after University has existed, say 10 years, Representatives of Con- vocation, one for each Faculty - - = 4 42 Should there come to be formed, as mentioned above, in the subjects of Arts or Science, bodies analogous to the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons, or the Council of Legal Education, such bodies might be represented on the Senate, as are the Royal Colleges, but with a corresponding diminution in the number of Crown members in that subject. And should other Faculties than the four mentioned be constituted, they should be represented in a similar manner to the four thus provided for. (viii.) That the members of the Senate representing the separate subjects of the four Faculties should, with the Arice-Chancellor, form Standing Grand Committees, where the matters concerning their respective Faculties should first receive consideration. (ix.) That the Standing Grand Committee in Medicine (consisting of the Vice-Chancellor, two Crown members in Medicine, the four representatives of the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons, the three representatives of the Faculty of Medicine, and in time the Medical representative of Convocation, eleven in all) have power to confer with the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons, either directly or through the representatives of those Colleges on the Committee, and also with the Board of Studies in the Faculty of Medicine, in the preparation of a scheme of examination and curriculum of education for the pro- fessional subjects of the Pass degrees in Medicine, viz., the Intermediate and Final M.B. Examinations, and the B.S., M.S., and M.D. Examinations, it being under- stood that the arrangements laid down, and subsequent modifications thereof, if any, shall be with the consent of the Royal Colleges, in whom shall be vested the entire conduct of the examinations mentioned, a certain minority of the Examiners in each subject to be ap- pointed by the Senate, and who shall be in all respects equal in position to those appointed by the Royal Colleges, but who shall, if so required by the Senate, report separately to the Senate's Standing Grand Committee in Medicine on any examination, it being understood that such Examiners shall be selected from the Metropolitan Hospitals and Schools. Under this arrangement, the University and Royal College Exa- miners shall be paid alike out of the fees received from candidates, and that a small capitation fee be paid to the University chest out of the fees paid by each candidate who shall pass. (x.) That candidates who shall pass the examinations under this arrangement shall, on completing the Pass,M.B. degree, receive the diplomas of the Royal Colleges, as well as the M.B. degree, so far as the regulations of the Royal Colleges permit. (xi.) That Honour degrees in Medicine shall be arranged for by the Standing Grand Committee in Medicine (in which the Royal College and teachers through its Faculty representatives will have a predomi- nant voice in determining), but without reference to the Royal College for assent as in the case of the Pass degrees, and the Examiners for the Honours Exa- minations be entirely appointed by the Senate. (xii.) Candidates, so far as the regulations of the Royal Colleges permit, who shall have passed the Honours M.B. degree shall be admitted to the L.R.C.P. or M.R.C.S. (or both) on payment of such fees as each Royal College shall determine, without further exami- nation. 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